$698. The California/Texas company’s new Urd CD player is a CD transport: it contains no DAC of its own. Hi, wondered if anyone had good experience of using a DVD player as a CD transport- and whether there are benefits over using a reasonable CD player. Due to the design using a shoebox shape, the output transistor had given up the ghost. Esoteric CD/SACD transport. Since its inception, CEC has reigned as the foremost among analog player manufacturers. Audiolab 6000CDT has better remote, is larger, is slot loader and provides no upsampling options. As in, put in a CD, get digital out via AES and coax. After I explored the DA5 and its capabilities while streaming, I spent much of my review period enjoying the CEC DA5 and TL-5 as a simple CD player—albeit in two boxes. My specific needs are 1) AES / EBU out and also 2) as a preferred option balanced XLR out. The Compact Disc was launched in 1982, but the four decades since have seen an alphabet soup of similar-looking shiny discs including major. ” Either way, its performance is uncompromising. The VRDS is as reassuringly mechanical sounding as we remember from older TEAC products and the player responds swiftly to commands. 00. And that’s a problem. Cyrus's Servo Evolution disc-reading software, plucked from its £1750 CD xt Signature , combined with enhanced internal circuitry, creates a performance that's difficult. You'll have to check with the manual as to how you engage the analogue output. A CD Transport simply reads the digital data off of the disc, but does not perform any digitial-to-analog conversion, instead requiring the use of a separate DAC. While a lot of audiophiles still enjoy large CD collections, most of those folks use CD, DVD, Blu-ray players or computers to play CDs. Pflughaupt. The No. Equipped with a Philips CDPRO2 LF. A Sony PS1 will compete with a £300 CD player, so I doubt the 7030 will let you down. The Wadia 861 cd player has several outputs, inputs and a clocklink to link the dac-clock to that of the transport. . . Description. I looked up the Teac CD P650 specs and reviews and think you have found a winner for $180. 1-800-PSAUDIO. The first time I heard a CD player in my own system was in 1983, the first year of the format's introduction in the West. Best Convenient: Cambridge Audio AXC35 Single-Disc CD Player with High Performance Wolfson. It also uses the same slot-type transport as seen on the 8300CD (which is priced around the £1,000 mark). Traditionally, transports are more expensive than players because they are hand crafted instead of being mass-market products. There's also some relevant information on CD. The player will recognise a CD and output in stereo. This Exposure XM CD player is a half-width chassis design sporting a top loader disc mechanism with a magnetic puck. 6000CDT is also cheaper. 2 Channel Ultra HD AV Receiver (2020 Model) – Wi-Fi. If the CD player has a good transport, you are comparing the same AVR's. 1 Like. A rear mounted 12V trigger, RS-232 socket, a 3. Two years ago, Simaudio introduced the Moon Evolution 750D CD transport/DAC ($11,999), billed as "the world's first true 32-bit asynchronous DAC. A hifi cd player sound normal then connected to same spdif dac. The Pro-Ject Pre Box RS2 Digital and Pro-Ject CD Box RS2 T are designed to work in tandem to deliver the best sound quality from CD’s. The best ever made. 192 kHz/24-Bit Audio DAC, Optical & Coaxial Digital Outputs. Ian White March 17, 2023. What is the difference of a CD Player vs. The Emotiva ERC-3 Differential Reference CD Player/Digital Transport In Use. having played with various transport, ime they can make or break a DAC. But to move up to the next CD Player, which is the Marantz ND8006 Network CD Player, the price jumps to £1000 or a bit more - Marantz ND8006 Under £700, the Rotel CD14 at £550 is certainly a good choice. We have researched hundreds of brands and picked the top brands of cd players, including Onkyo, Marantz, YAMAHA, PIONEER, Cambridge Audio. It may have been the best CD transport (no SACD though like SCD-1) I ever had. any esoteric. These 2 units are roughly. On the surface, the PWT appears to be a straightforward ‘CD transport’, but the PWT can also play WAV-format, PCM files at resolutions up to 24. A CD transport, rather than a CD player, this unit does the vital work of reading the information held on a compact disc, but doesn’t. Little back ground story is - I was looking for CD transport for fun, so I find things from Pro-ject, Audiolab, Cambridge and Primare. Technical description. since you already have DAC you need pure CD transport without inner DAC uder $1000 the best option I can think of is the Cambridge Audio CXC . It has a Sanyo disc transport, and an AKM AK4490 32-bit digital-to-analog converter to decode the 16/44. It has all the best bits of everything the company knows about silver disc spinning. the advantage of a cd player, especially if it is tube-based is the possibility of finding applications for non-6 volt tubes. Yes, the Pro-Ject CD Box RS2 transport driving the Director's internal DAC delivers superlative results. The player has two digital outputs – a 75ohm BNC coaxial connector and Toslink for optical connections. Incorporates high-quality D/A conversion enabling digital sources to be connected directly without an external DAC. Don’t consider regular CDP players as transport ! they are lousy as transport because their inner DAC adding jitter and noise. What are your thoughts - Auralic G1, Lumin D2, Lumin U1 Mini, or a dedicated CD transport for high quality playback. The heat this time just triggered the overtemp sensor and poof. Trade-in. A 100USD DVD player is only that expensive because it's made in China in huge numbers. 31. No DVD or Blu-Ray will last much more than 10% of that. Audio Perfect Wave CD/SACD Transport. wav -> compared to ref. Best Overall: Audiolab 6000CDT Dedicated CD Transport with Remote - Black. When he hooked up an AN CDP 6 transport, the sound was dramatically better, but, that transport costs as much as a house and the Sony, for all I know, could be exceptionally crappy. Aug 27, 2014 at 5:20pm novisnick said: Aug 27, 2014 at 4:55pm roadrunner said: The DC-1 is a very flexible piece of audio gear, but it does not address your current issue. Delete. Media Platform Type: Digital. Cheers George. As you say you love the combination of the Atom and SF speakers, I would think you would find the upgrade to the Star to be marginal at best. The power came from Anthem MCA20 and a MCA50 (for stereo and multi-channel listening) driving KEF. 1 Khz for CD exists only because that’s the exact number of sample per second that could be encoded onto a PAL U-Matic. A CD player also includes digital to analog outputs. Best value for the money — Rotel CD14 MkII. streaming has improved radically…. The CD format is still alive and hanging in there with the LP. CDs tend to sound better on a dedicated CD player rather than a transport /DAC combination . cephas February 11, 2023, 4:26pm 4. 00 CX C. Equipment List. I noticed after that a few reviewers also preferred the CXC to the 103. For example the Line Magnetic 515 uses a Sony KSS 213 (discontinued) is a $14 transport. Rotel CD14 CD. Pro-Ject Pre Box RS2 Digital. Its weighty sound was substantial, able to drag every bit of nuance from a track. All of the Cyrus products share a similar industrial design and tank-like construction. WAV vs FLAC: For the D/A converter the bits are the same as FLAC will decode back to WAV before the converter gets to see the data at all. Those can last over 10,000 hours. Certainly, vinyl surpassed it for a few years, but of late the CD is coming back and sales are, if not robust, good. The $1200 D-105u, the top of Luxman's CD-player line, is novel in its twin-triode vacuum-tube amplification in the analog output stage. Marantz CD6007. The ERC-4 is a dedicated audio CD player. vid that inspired this messthis one I take a very in depth look at the. The original PerfectWave Transport (PWT) used an OPPO laser mechanism. Volume control with variable output allows you to hook up directly to an amplifier. Inputs Coaxial, 2x optical, AES/EBU, HDMI, USB Type B, RCA/balanced analogue, Bluetooth. #5. For testing, I connected the unbalanced outputs using ERC-3 using Monster Cable ULT I600-8 THX Ultra Cables to an Anthem MRX-500 in preamp mode. and I do like the 103, currently using it in second system as a CD Player. ”. I did not have another SACD transport in house for a more accurate comparison. Forget convenience, let’s talk purely sound quality. So I will sure opt for Highend Computer Transport. The weak link in any CD player is the disc drive and the drawer that usually comes with it, Rega have got around the potential issues of the latter by having a top loading drive with a manually operated lid. For each kind of component, from phono. Marantz CD6007 ($599) The Marantz CD6007 is a versatile CD Player, which includes support for hi-res digital music playback via USB. 7" wide by 3. The MOON 260D CD transport. Sparkler Audio S503 Spiral Disc Player ($1,500 USD) This simple top-loading CD player from the mind of the former head designer of 47 Laboratories is old-fashioned through and through. NEW Philips CD Pro 2. DACs can sound different, get a $5 no-name Chinese one off eBay, get a tube DAC, etc. Accessories supplied Remote handset. John Atkinson | Feb 13, 2023 | 1 comments. Streaming is the hot technology now so there are more streamer choices out there than. 9 x 12. Best CD player shelf system — Denon D-M41. Sparkler Audio S503 Spiral Disc Player ($1,700 USD) This simple top-loading CD player from the mind of the former head designer of 47 Laboratories is old-fashioned through and through. Audiolab says of its transport: “the transport uses read-ahead digital buffering to reduce disc reading failures and deliver the highest level of digital signal extraction from a wide range of CDs, even capable of reading scratched and damaged CDs that are unreadable by conventional mechanisms. 6000CDT. Obviously, it plays CDs. VS INTEGRATED CD PLAYER. The Hegel Mohican is a starkly elegant steel box weighing 14. Models like Sony BDP-S370 offers SACD compatibility and has both output. MOON 260D provides superb flexibility as a result of it being a CD Transport and a DAC ‘s sonic performance is without equal in its price category. That, combined with a read-ahead digital buffer, is supposed to be able to read damaged discs better than other CD transports. I have broadcast market CD players which do well to last 2 years of life before laser dies. Earlier this year bought a pro-ject rs2 cd transport at 4x the cost that ONLY does CD and I am amazed. gogofast. As RCA plugs don’t have a 75 Ohm impedance, you have a mismatch anyway. Transports/Players. People are buying CDs again and asking me what to look for in a vintage CD player or a cheap blu ray player. A dedicated CD player will have better parts in comparison to a cheap Blu-Ray player. 24 was an evolution of its 20-bit 508 CD player. This was a three-box set connecting a CD player used as a transport, a power supply, and a digital / analog unit. #3. I was wondering if any of you folks could steer. It also uses the same slot-type transport as seen on the 8300CD (which is priced around the £1,000 mark). Some audiophiles believe that DACs can sound different, and so enjoy the flexibility of swapping out the DAC without having to buy a whole new CD player. Cyrus CD players are, in my opinion, stunning. Buy a second hand Sony CDP715 CD player for about not much and you will be amazed at how much better it sounds than streaming or computer files. A CD transport, rather than a CD player, this unit does the vital work of reading the information held on a compact disc, but doesn’t waste its effort in turning that digital signal into an analogue output. 30 to recognize that it is. Bottomline: A CD player's transport, servo mechanism and motor, etc. Both are old models, so you may be able to find one NOS or slightly used. Digital: Rockna Wavedream Net streamer, Lampizator Pacific 2 dac Analog: Technics SP10 MK2, Trans Fi Audio Terminator Pro tonearm, BMC MCCI phono stage, DaVa field coil cartridge Preamp: Passive Goldpoint SA2XM-I (Timbre Audio silver cable rewired) Amp: Benchmark AHB2 monoblocks Speakers: Tempo Electric EP1(modified. The CD format is still alive and hanging in there with the LP. Meaning the combo was priced around £1,130 or. The mechanical mechanisms in a few of the CD players I've owned have failed, one just weeks after the two year warranty expired, probably the part that is replaced most on CD players and transports. Cyrus CD-T Review On its design, there isn’t much else to say except you get a Cyrus ir14 learning remote, which does the basic functions as well as dimming the display. While there may be precious few Philips or Marantz players using this transport, some other maybe even unexpected brands might have used it at some point. In that mode, it delivers perfect pace, pinpoint attacks, high detail resolution, and, well, just about everything else you could wish for. 2 Jay's Audio Lab CD T2 MK 3 3 P. I recently demmed a Rossini player (includes CD mech as well as the DAC) before plumping for the DAC only. Best Sale: Marantz NR1711 8K Slim 7. Some audiophiles believe that DACs can sound different, and so enjoy the flexibility of swapping out the DAC without having to buy a whole new CD player. You could simply buy a basic CD Player like a Yamaha CD-S300. There are a lot of threads here that debate this, but most people are comparing a $300 CD player vs a 5 K streamer, or vice versa. The CDT3-Mk3 is Jay’s Audio’s new Flagship CD transport. The 5425 is a MASH machine utilizing the MN6471 DAC, which has balanced analog outputs. Shanling has today announced the EC Mini, a transportable CD player that can be moved from home to office (and back again). But with Sparkler Audio’s Ether integrated amplifier, the sound was clean and up-front. (Image credit: Future) Music streamers are, of course, much newer tech than CD players. Mar 13, 2021. Color: Lunar Grey. Simple footfalls would cause it to skip. Unlike your average CD player most of the CEC’s machines, including the TL5, don’t even have a DAC built in. This configuration is said to provide high linearity with low distortion and that hard-to-quantify musicality found in tubed products. The task of a transport (optical drive in this case) is to read the disk and send a SPDIF stream to a DAC. Richer Sounds have a deal available to buy the Leak 130 and CDT for ¬£1099 with a saving ¬£249. Currently, I'm using a DVD player (Toshiba SD-5000) as a CD player going S/PDIF out into my receiver, essentially acting as a CD transport. $799. The Pro-Ject RS2T CD Box transport, with its top lid fully opened to its upright position, where it will stay open whilst you load/unload a CD, the upper edge of the opened top lid measures 9 3/8" (nine and three-eighths inches) above the top of the surface the transport is placed upon - so if the underside of a shelf above your transport is 9. Bill Mac Forum Resident. . 64 posts. In other words, the CD11 Tribute is exactly as simple as it needs to be in terms of connectivity, but no simpler. In my world, nicer players especially, laser life is a make or break. Best option is to go for a older BD player which has both Analogue as well as digital or HDMI output. Ripped FLAC or Apple lossless files played through a high quality PC or MAC computer based audio player (such as JRiver or Signalyst for Windows or Vox or Clementine for MAC)? 3. The Emotiva ERC-4 is not a CD/SACD player as it doesn't have SACD capability. A cd rom or dvd based player has more digital logic and therefore more noise and poorer sound. If you want small CD transport there are many other options a lot cheaper than cdt-8 so it really comes down to what you need and what you value. The core of a transport is its disc mechanism. Most CD players have a built-in DAC (digital-to-analog converter), but not all built-in DACs are the same quality. Discussion in ' Audio Hardware ' started by Art K, Jul 12, 2019 . Tinman. First: the data encoded on your CD is NOT encoded in the same digital format used by S/PDIF. 3 lbs. It's generally better. Another portable CD player in 2023? by John September 28, 2023, 12:17. 5" deep, it's only about half the width of its predecessor. 1 inches. Remote control iR14. . This is not only possible when using the internal transport but even configurable for use with external sources. With something like an old philips based player, im not sure the lines will ever cross. ) We connected it to my system at the time, Quad ESLs driven by a Luxman tube amplifier. Weight 11. Sony CD player model xxxxx -> output Sony. 35) which sends the inversion command to the processor. When I tested the Classe Sigma SSP on SPDIF Coax I used a 16 m long 75 Ohm cable. I am very happy with cdt-8, except for the remote. Here The output of my Onkyo C7030 if find to be much cleaner and more dynamic than the afterthought DAC in my amp and too close to call when using my Modi. The CXC would be an excellent choice as a cd player and you could always add a dac from another brand other than whats in the Cambridge amp. Unison USB Hub. Aug 22, 2021. CXC breathes new life into CDs – giving you many more years of enjoyment from them. CD Player vs. Marantz Super Audio CD Player. PerfectWave SACD Transport. b) The Pioneer sounded the worst. Playing a CD versus a rip from the same CD the difference in SQ was tiny, akin to the difference between the Rossini filters (which amount to barely perceptible). But influence of the CD quality (clean and new vs. Control is via two coaxial knobs on the front panel or with an app for Android devices. 04. I had made up my mind that I was going to purchase a Music Hall CD 25. Add to cart. My sony sacd cheap DVD player sound ugly for cd when connected to my dac. remote control. I just bought a new audio-gd 7HE 2020 DAC and think the CD player I have been using as a transport may be a bottleneck in my 2 channel system. The rear of the Exposure XM CD. If the players you want them for support data CD then just stick with that. So you have an old-ish CD player and a Schiit Modi. There are a lot of threads here that debate this, but most people are comparing a $300 CD player vs a 5 K streamer, or vice versa. If the feedback loop is broken and the transport runs at its own clock speed rather than under control of the DAC, the DAC side of the system has to have an adaptive element to handle the mismatch between transport and DAC clocks. In practice it does, but how much depends on your specific hardware. Yamaha CD-S303. It's decent but certainly not a high end transport. 14" high by 11. Hey Nonoise, I have the SPL Director in-house for review. performance ( better dacs, weight, inputs, features etc). The CD-S700 & CXC use the same transport, Sanyo SF-P101N, the same one used for all of the former CA Azur series, 351C, 651C, & 851C, & all the Marantz 5003-6003 thru 5005-6005 CDP's. He’s the chap who designed the company’s other CD transport, the rather lovely 6000CDT. #3. 1 can be made these days at the price range when it was available. See if you can hear the difference between lossless streaming and your DVD drive. 44. Panasonic 55FZ950. Don’t consider regular CDP players as transport ! they are lousy as transport because their inner DAC adding jitter and noise. #5. A number of cheap Sony and Pioneer BluRay players will play SACDs. It's just a bitstream. TALK TO A HI-FI SPECIALIST. The only reason Mac owners don't have to worry too much about viruses is because there aren't enough of you! 97% of the computers out there are not Mac's. Buyer's Guide. So the VRDS-7 as a modded transport, is now a "better" and cheaper than the more expensive to buy used VRDS-T1. Also known as S/N ratio. IMHO this has nothing to do with the impedance. I also like the raised feet that elevate the player to help resist vibrations that might interfere with the sound playback. Everything from its look and feel to the way it plays compact discs is worthy of respect. You know, like most transports. Post edited by hearingimpared on September 2006. The transport mechanism works well with minimum fuss and not much noise. 2 Jay's Audio Lab CD T2 MK 3 3 P. Or more, naturally, if your system. 681 Network Player / DAC. No SACD, but focus on best possible CD replay. Firstly, their earlier player are considerably brighter sounding to my ear than the later ones. IMPEDANCE: <75 Ohms. Hi Gang,I could use some advice on CD transports. Try it!Luxman D-105u CD player. For the original Apollo, Rega used a Wolfson WM8740 sigma-delta DAC. Ever heard of heavy use cases. . I’ve recently become interested in getting a dedicated CD transport, but after days of research I’m still left scratching my head. Bottom line: This upgrade path is real. MDS said: This decision comes down to whether the cd player or the receiver has the better DACS. Location. What's the difference here? johnnm. Then, by way of the CXC’s digital outputs (Coax or Toslink), that data is sent to a digital to analog converter to turn bits into. Old ideas die. 33-inch touch screen sitting on the top. Sony 970 CD Player can be connected with optical output cable. Look for something that uses the Philips professional transport mechanism, like the kind used in commercial jukeboxes. Tim 2, bever70 and ssmith3046 like this. However, Highend CD Transport been around for more than 20 years. First the cost difference (between good analog and good digital) was large to get as good as analog… and the minimum investment was $100K… that dropped… then over the last ten years. 1. 1kHz in native form. It's generally better. No need for any extra mechanism to move the disc into position. The digital out of the DVD player I picked up for $35 sounds absolutely fantastic as a CD transport, so I'm sticking with that. ' My opinions expressed here do not represent those of the AVForums or its. Best value for the money — Rotel CD14 MkII. Buyer's Guide. New to hifi so I decided to start small with Cambridge audio AXA35 amp with matching AXC35 cd player and Elac Debut 2. DAC is, of course, very important for good sound production. General DAC/Amp/DAP Discussion. thanks! System: Rogue RP-1, Rogue ST-100, Martin Logan Montis, Chord Qutest dac. 30 to recognize that it is. The advantage of using a CD player as a transport gives you the flexibility to experiment with different external DAC's to tailor the sound to your preference. 1992-at least 1996. In theory, it shouldn't matter. 1 coaxial digital audio output. ) We connected it to my system at. VS Highend Computer Transport has just begin and sky is the limit. The ol' workhorse single-handledly defeated all CD/DVD/BD players that I compared it to. At $349, this is one of the most affordable and appealing CD players here. EUR 995. DP . They reached out to a number of audio writers (including, yours truly) with the. Obvious the bandwidth of coax is higher but in practice modern Toslink can perform better (I can do 176 kHz over Toslink) However as a CD player is 2 channel, 16 bit, 44. One big change is that Primare has abandoned the CD31's fully balanced differential architecture. The TL-5 is a perfect cosmetic match with the CEC DA-5 DAC. browntrout February 10, 2023, 5:58am 4. got into the CD transport market. Otherwise, it had the same connections, motorised transport and almost tablet-sized remote. All had distinctive sonic personalities. It is on kind loan from a member and costs US $279. antlestxp. Best CD player/streamer — Marantz SACD 30n. All blu ray players will play CD as stereo and are designed to do so. I think PST is better sound quality- the music comes alive. The new PS Audio PerfectWave SACD Transport (PST) was, in part, brought into existence when OPPO decided to exit the DVD/CD transport business. The Wadia 861 cd player has several outputs, inputs and a clocklink to link the dac-clock to that of the transport. S. . With something like an old philips based player, im not sure the lines will ever cross. Unfortunately the modified Music Hall CD 25. It's not about SNR or bit levels, to me it sounds like is a temporal smearing of the high frequency end. But of course, you get much more than a CD Player. 00 (Normally $799. Best Overall: Audiolab 6000CDT Dedicated CD Transport with Remote - Black. The CD t is the latest addition to Cyrus’s long line of highly accomplished products. Other than that, good luck. Roksan Attessa CD Transport. The CD loading mechanism is rather quiet and CDs loaded rapidly without issue. Don't know off hand what transport the x-box uses but many so-called "audiophile" cd players use bog standard computer DVD-Roms these days simply because very few companies still make bespoke cd mechs. This has been my experience regardless of the player or transport, or its price. The advantage of using a CD player as a transport gives you the flexibility to experiment with different external DAC's to tailor the sound to your preference. Marantz CD6007 (17. Whether the DAC is in the same box or outside is irrelevant,. I like the large display but controls didn't seem very responsive. Ever wonder what's the difference between a CD transport and a CD player and more importantly - why's it matter? Audio Advisor is here to help explain and gi. Jaded1. . If you happen to have a 6000A amplifier, for example, then you’ll notice that the 6000CDT is a perfect visual match for that. EUR 995. Cyrus CDi-XR tech specs. My main juxtaposition is whether a CD transport (direct. . It should be noted that the $5595 Wadia WT-2000 CD. To date, after 31 years of the CD format, it is only via computer that I’ve heard the audio from a CD disc sound indistinguishable from the master used to create that CD. While this expression is typically used to describe people, it also works for machines that play 5" optical discs. 1 optical (Toslink) digital audio output. Bottomline: A CD player's transport, servo mechanism and motor, etc. vs integrated cd player To retain the similar-ish price, I hooked the 9000CDT to a low-cost Topping DAC, the original issue E30 priced at around £130 or so. Marantz CD6007. While I was researching about CD transport, (I just want one. It has unbalanced analog outputs, and RCA and optical digital outputs. Like the two Nodes before it at their time of arrival in 2014 and 2018 respectively, the newest Node – introduced in the summer of 2021 – enters the. The aluminum finish on the front of the player is a great choice for this price range, ensuring the player doesn’t have a. 981i. ”. CD players without built-in DACs are called “transports. What's the difference here? johnnm. Comparing the Red Book (on my Sony player) with the SACD was not a fair fight. . This blog will highlight the network-attached, disc player/transport the firm offers as a companion for use with its DACs: the £2,999 PerfectWave Memory Player Transport (or PWT for short). Established Member.